Don't Tread on Liberty

Let's Get Real About Solutions

April 19, 2022 Jason Davis Season 3 Episode 15
Don't Tread on Liberty
Let's Get Real About Solutions
Show Notes Transcript

Join us today as we talk with the National Director of the CSPOA and syndicated talks show host Sam Bushman about fakers and shakers in the liberty movement. Sam and I discuss what works, what won't, and what it's going to take to keep our liberty. It's time to get real. 

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fighting back against the left's non stop attacks on liberty, freedom. And America, America. This is don't tread on liberty. Jason Davis is on the air.

Jason Davis:

Hey, welcome back. You're listening to don't tread on liberty with Jason Davis. We all know what's going on. And the problems we have at this point, and there's a lot of them. Vax mandates, the energy crisis, we got food shortages coming. We even have fake elections. And essentially, I think it's generally just the fact that the US government has declared war on the American people. So there's all kinds of people out there fighting for something believing they have the answer, but I believe there is a solution. And that's why today, we're going to talk all about solutions. And I think my guest is a big part of it. He is been a nationally syndicated talk show host for over 25 years. He's currently the host of the Liberty roundtable. So you probably already know I'm talking about the National Operations Director for the constitutional sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Sam Bushman, thank you for being here. How are you? I'm absolutely delighted. Thanks for the opportunity. I'm doing fantastic, sir. So by the way, really quick, though, when we talk about solutions, I just want to help people understand, you know, everybody wants to build a new mousetrap. Everybody wants to build a better mousetrap. Everybody wants to write a new plan, a new book, you got, you know, Glenn Beck and his, whatever it is 912, whatever. 911 stuff, 912 stuff, nine, whatever. And you got this and that and everybody wants a new solution? And my response is, why don't we just returned to the solutions that worked for a couple of 100 years? No doubt. Right. And that actually brings me to my first topic for you. I think this is potentially a solution. But I'm very hesitant. And I'm talking about the Convention of States or constitutional convention, very leery of this, because once they get in there, they can change anything they want. And I don't trust the politicians to do anything. Right. So I agree with you, I tend to believe that we ought to just be enforcing the constitution that we already have, which is the most perfect document ever been written. The idea that somehow people think that these guys today are going to go in and write something better than what our founders did, to me is absolutely insane. What are your thoughts, what you don't do when your marriage is going bad is get a divorce and think if you just married somebody else that will get better?

Sam Bushman:

Okay, and that's what the con con, I believe it's a con agenda is here, what they say is somehow we can meet, we can rewrite the blueprint for Liberty, we can do a better job of than the 200 year track record history that we have, that we can somehow do better than our founding fathers did. And one of the things that we need to really understand is this you will never build a better mousetrap by reinventing the wheel, and jettisoning fundamental principles. Alright, look, the fundamental principles are this, our Founding Fathers said you have a constitutional republic, if you can keep it. And what they meant was you gotta have enough people involved in the system, enough people jealously guarding the sacred cause of liberty. Enough people absolutely fully invested in preserving that liberty to the point of their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honors, etc, you've got to be that invested in Liberty consistently to keep it. And then in addition to that eternal vigilance, you've got to have the two moral supports that George Washington highlighted so eloquently, which is, look, you've got to be a religious and a moral people. Okay, now, I'm not here to debate the keys of theology with anyone. But I am here to say, look, if you think you can do it without God, the author of your liberty, good luck, if you think you can do it without obeying moral fundamental principles of liberty. Okay. you're sadly mistaken, you cannot violate the principles and remain free. In America, we're simply violating the principles. 99% of Americans don't have a clue of what's going on or how to fix it, nor do they care. As long as the bread and circuses continues. They're all good. Please send me another stimulus check. Okay, we've got to jettison these notions that are destructive of liberty, it creates a massive moral hazard. All right, and any libertarian can tell you it is immoral, what we're doing and we expect to be free and immoral. You want what never has been and never will be. And so anyway, I digress. Except I want to say we've got to really understand these principles, and nothing else will work. You can do a con con. You can do as soon as a secession See how well that worked last time, you can do anything you want to. But look, you're not going to create a better government with an immoral society. You're not going to create a better society with immoral families. Families are the fundamental unit of society with a male and a female is God directed and science documents. And the two together, make children create a family, raise them in righteousness, teaching them to jealously guard their liberty, we have lost that in America, and therefore we're losing our liberty. And people want to do something different because they think they can circumvent these fundamental realities and build something out of nothing. rise from the ashes. It will never work, sir. Never know, I totally agree with you. So you know, we basically are on the same page there. And it's funny, because the government is making a concerted, intentional effort to destroy the family to your point, they know that that's the building block of American of the American way of life, and they're trying to destroy it. So I totally agree with you on that one. So we're one for one. So let's go to let's go to topic two. But so I want to be very clear, though I stand completely against a constitutional convention. Now somebody would say, Well, Sam, why don't you believe that it? Don't you believe in the Constitution? Yes, I do. Well, don't you believe that's constitutional? Yes, I do. But just because you can do something constitutionally, that doesn't mean that I believe it's the best remedy. That's great. That's like saying, Sam, do you believe in brain surgery? And I'm like, Well, of course I do. And then like, why don't you get brain surgery, then? Well, because I don't need it. So I don't believe it's the right remedy is what I'm telling you. Even though I do believe it's a constitutional last resort option. I don't think we're even close to there yet, personally. Yeah, I agree. I'm very hesitant and leery of it, for the reasons that you outline. So the second thing,

Jason Davis:

a lot of people I mean, these people are starting to really pop up. I've had contact with them numerous times when I was still a deputy. These are the freemen or Now they call themselves the sovereign citizen. So these people believe that if they file a whole bunch of paperwork and do all this gobbly gook in the courts that they essentially are exempt from any law that's ever been passed. What do you what do you think of the sovereign citizen movement? Well, first off, I would say that the sovereign citizen movement on its face is a contradiction in terms. Okay, if you're sovereign, you're certainly not a citizen, because a citizen is virtually a subject, if you will, in sovereign, sovereign and subject or opposite terms. Okay. So do I believe that people have sovereignty under God Almighty? Absolutely. The core of that sovereignty is articulated an understanding that you have agency, the ability to choose for yourself, that is an individual reality that God has given each one of us. And when we violate the principles that relate to that we lose our liberty, when we don't we maximize and maintain and preserve our liberty. That's the ultimate in sovereignty. Under God Almighty, He is the only ultimate sovereign, but we have authority delegated from God to us. And in that sense, we're individually sovereign. But understand that our Contract with America, the United States, is the supreme law of the land, the Constitution. Now I was born under this covenant or contract to way promise agreement.

Sam Bushman:

And as a result, you could say, Well, Sam, if you gave permission, you can withdraw your permission. But I submit to you that the quote, We The People term is a collective discussion. The Declaration of Independence highlights that you know, what government derives its just power from the consent of the governed. That's us as a body, though, not individually. Because you can have one one neighbor, say, I'm in to the Constitution, the other neighbor, say, I'm out the other neighbor. So you guys are all crazy. I don't, you can't have society run that way. And if you want documentation on the the details of which I speak, go read Boston A's the law, because that articulates that you know, what we do have this collective need to preserve liberty. And that results in giving up a little bit of our sovereignty on the altar of liberty when you do so you actually maximize liberty, there's a line there, that when you do certain things, you're actually increasing liberty, even though you are partnering in your sovereignty, so to speak. Anyway, I make a long story short, and say, we can't just opt out and say I'm a sovereign citizen, and I'm going to do whatever I want to. So I'm going to create my own grand jury and I'm going to indict you, sir. Now, Jason, you're indicted, because I said, What's to stop you from dating me? And then somebody else will say my grand jury is bigger near Grand Jury. Okay, what I mean is ladies and gentlemen, you not assert authority above the contract and authority that we've the people have already delegated. Okay. So in my opinion, it is a wrongheaded violation of principle. Our whole system was designed so that the few couldn't gain control over the rest. Now, we've just been entitled A lot of those checks and balances is the reason we're in trouble now. But just because the bad guys are doing that from the inside, I would call them rogue agents in government, that doesn't give us the right to fall to the lowest common denominator and do what they're doing as well. We need to more hold the moral high ground. And therefore we need to use the checks and balances within our system to restore our system, I submit the scenes or their restoration of the Republicans possible by using the checks and balances. The problem is we're not using those checks and balances. We're just whining and complaining when things don't go right. But we don't have the mojo to get it done. There's not enough of us. Let's say that. And that's really the key, sir. I mean, absolutely. I reject the sovereign movement, as its so called today. And I reject their notions. I don't believe they're founded on sound principle. Okay. So we totally agree again, I think that, you know, they talk a lot about law, but I think everything they talk about is illegal. So you said something a second ago there that I want to touch on if the government is you're saying if the gap just because the government's doing all this wrongdoing doesn't give us the right. So this is the old saying, right, two wrongs don't make a right.

Jason Davis:

And I totally agree with that. But a lot of people will say, Well, what are we supposed to do? I mean, the elections are essentially fake. They just put in who they want. And then they say, Oh, you elected us, and we're just doing what you wanted the will of the people. I mean, so what are you supposed to do about that? And now you can't just vote them out anymore? It's not that simple. So there are several solutions, I do you believe you can vote them out. And I do believe what most Americans did is what we always do. We believe just like a TV show, we can solve the world by three o'clock. Don't worry, a half hour later, we can solve the world's problems in a TV show episode. It doesn't work that way, ladies and gentlemen. So let me give you an example. I don't know if you know, how many precincts are in America? Do you have any idea? I have no clue. Alright, it's well over 100,000. Just so you know, I don't have an exact number. But it's well over 100,000 precincts in America. And what you need to do, ladies and gentlemen is go to the most local government you have, when it comes to the elections is the precincts and say, You know what, we're not going to allow you to move mail to mail voting or ballot by mail, because it circumvents all of our precincts and makes it a quote, state level issue. Okay? You've just lost how many ever 1000s of precincts are in your state, to now you've got some state bureaucrat, some Attorney General, or some, you know, maybe county by county at best, but you've lost all the local political power you have. They've used COVID to violate this check and balance. So you've got to go back and deal with this precinct by precinct and Americans believe all they got to do is have a national attorney,

Sam Bushman:

go rage, or maybe a couple of states go sue the government or sue another state. And they'll fix it all for me. They'll solve the world by three o'clock. Just give me a pill for my ill and I'm good. Well, that isn't that way it works. Ladies and gentlemen, how many out of those 100,000 Plus, precincts that I put it out, literally sued over this? How many literally challenged the leadership over this forcing affidavits for transparency and accountability, forcing evidence that elections were counted properly? Okay, we have well over 100,000 precincts that should be challenged across the country right now. And I don't see anybody even talking about this, sir. And then they want to run around tell me they've tried everything. They haven't tried nothing. All they've done is put their pizza in the oven, turn on the TV and said By golly at Sidney Powell, she's gonna get it done. Crank up the crack, and maybe I'm okay. But look, where are the American people. They're literally vacating the premises, day by day, hour by hour, while the elite thugs use our system against us. That's what's going on. I want to see 100,000 Plus lawsuits, you think it'll get any attention? I want to see every local American stand in the gap to say, hey, wait a minute, at a precinct level neighbor. I don't know what's going on here. But we need to recount this. If you're telling me we're not going to recount it. You know what you might get past this election. But I'm telling you, we're gonna have vote counters, we're gonna get our sheriff's involved. We're gonna get Americans involved. We're going to have vote counters, we're going to try to pass local laws, county by county that say not only are we going to count the election results publicly, transparently in front of vote counters and vote watchers, et cetera. But we're going to have you swear under the penalty of perjury that the vote counts, right. Okay, there's so many things we can do but who's even working on this? I don't even know anybody bringing this up. But me, sir. Let me give you let me give you a couple of examples about how Republicans are actively trying to thwart your vote and and do away with grassroots activism, which is what you're talking about. So where I am here in the state of Arizona, we just had redistricting and the Republicans essentially, they wrote a bill it passed the House

Jason Davis:

So in the Senate and was signed by the governor all in the same day that removed the electoral process from the precinct committeeman position. They are precinct committeeman, which is what you're talking about, are now all appointed by the GOP establishment leadership. And let me stop you right there. See, that's criminal activity, because the GOP is not even part of your government. It's a private party, ladies and gentlemen, well, this is where you better stand up now, or they're gonna run roughshod over you like, there's no tomorrow. Well, of course, you know, people like me are screaming. But, but But you know, like you just said, there aren't enough of us. Now, the second thing I will tell you, how many people are in your county, for instance? Millions. Okay, so there should I mean, if you have even 1000 people, all they're doing is listening to the people that aren't doing anything about it, the millions, you've got to have literally hundreds of 1000s of people now, to make a difference. I mean, 3% Cause the American Revolution, that's true. We got to have, you know, that kind of numbers. And if just say there's 10 million people in your county, what's 3% of 10 million people?

Sam Bushman:

Yeah, what knows? 10% it's about 300,000 people, you get that kind of pushback, no offense, but you know what, you're gonna get what you deserve. If nobody cares. The US. Well, I'm not seeing that kind of response anywhere in the United States. I mean, yeah. So, you know, it's not like, it's not like it's, um, it's not like this is happening with anything else. I mean, in Europe, they can fill the streets with millions of people over vaccine mandates here, you can't even get 10 people to show up to a congressional meeting. Now, back to the elections. Arizona is also Ground Zero, as you know, for election integrity. The Arizona audit, it made national headlines, Wendy Rogers, and Sonny Borelli, and people like this are the face of the movement. They travel all around the country trying to convince every state to do audits telling everybody to decertify and the Patriot party of Arizona, which is a political action group here. Got a state legislator to sponsor a bill that would actually fix the elections. Okay, one day one vote on paper in person, no machines, Id required. Guess how many of these people calling for audits supported that bill? Of 10%? Try zero. Okay. None of them. None of them supported the bill. So makes you start to wonder, just for the money or what are they? What are they really into it for? Well, I mean, what it's a grift. It's a grift. I mean, they go around raising money for their reelection campaign and talking about election integrity. But when the rubber meets the road, they're nowhere to be found. That's what I'm saying. Even Republicans Yeah, you see that with Donald Trump tried to get rid of the Obamacare. Really, it's Romney care, I'm sad to say from my State of Utah now, but Romney care, Obama care, you know, Trump wanted to get rid of that. And the Republicans, you know, they voted over 40 times to get rid of it until they really had control and then they simply wouldn't do it. That's what we believe is continually that's what I'm saying. It's a unique party. There is no there is no Republicans and Democrats. They're both the same. The other the pat buchanan used to call it the left right wings have the same bird of prey, right? It's That's exactly right. It's a unique party. They're both working for the same goals, which is the great reset of the world. So this now this brings me to my last topic for you before we get to the real good stuff. This is this is probably the worst of all that I've asked you so far. But I still

Jason Davis:

when I try to to point out to people online or social media or what have you. I still get crucified. And of course, I'm talking about the trust the plan people, you know, these cute people. Yeah, you know, Trump's gonna get back in office, buddy, if you just hang tight, the military's gonna do an extreme takeover. It's all in the cause of liberty, right? Somehow Trump is still in control. And he has a plan to remove all the evildoers so soundly than any of its bogus. Yeah, right. But even sold a bill of goods. It isn't true. It's not happening. It's completely wrongheaded. And let me tell you how, you know, it's wrongheaded. You tell me where constitutionally, you can create a military coup

Sam Bushman:

to undo the coup. Exactly. Okay, tell me where authority comes to create a coup under the coup and use the military and doing it. Their plan requires a concentration of power under a man such as the Donald Trump or somebody else, military, quote, authorities to circumvent the coup that took place that they couldn't stop when they should have stopped it. And so I'm not believing that I don't believe we need to give people dictatorial power to restore liberty. Okay, the real answer is The only way you can restore liberty is one heart, one mind one issue at a time. Look, you could vote all 435 House members out in one election cycle if the American people were incensed enough, okay, you could remove the whole house in one election cycle. And you could jettison a third of the Senate in one election cycle. It within three years or six years, you could replace the house three times and the Senate once and the president, once within that four year or six year window, you could remove everyone. But see everybody's ho hum. And nobody cares. So when these people run around and tell the truth on election fraud, and they literally produce evidence, the courts just shut them down. Okay, poor Sidney Powell has to defend herself against these dishonest lies about, hey, when you pass the bar, what do you give up kind of a discussion for attorneys. So until we the people start to get familiar with what this is really taking, how many precincts are dealing with this issue? How many precincts are working on this, how many counties are working on it county by county to have transparency, and until we replace these jokers with good, honest people, your is not going to get any better, and until you have enough people to replace them. And I'll give you a couple of quick examples to make the point. Sheriff Mack, who beat Bill Clinton to the Supreme Court, he is the president of the organization that I worked for called the constitutional sheriffs and peace officers associated CSP oa.org. Okay. President Richard or Sheriff Richard Mack beat President Bill Clinton, the Supreme Court over the Brady bill. So you got a sheriff now that defended your gun rights all the way to the Supreme Court and won. You want to know what the people did, though. They replaced him he lost the election because they said you're too busy fighting national issues to take care of our county. So the people of Arizona, in Graham County, Arizona were shefford ship Mac was the sheriff literally replaced him after he defended your liberty all the way to the Supreme Court. Yeah. So this is what I mean by the people have got to start to stand with what's right. Or good, honest people who are the leaders of these movements will literally well, we don't stand together we hang separately. Is that how they say it? Okay, this is what I'm talking about, though. And I've got Sheriff after Sheriff example of what's going on Joe, our pile in Arizona, one of the biggest shares in the country literally proved Barack Obama's versus if it was a forgery, but he couldn't go anywhere with it. And eventually what they do they turn Joe out of office. See, we can't have these leaders stand up for liberty and then reject them and then wonder why we don't have liberty. There's not enough of us to hold the line. Okay, so if that's the case, what do we do? We educate, educate, educate, like you're doing on this program. I believe the new media taking center stage is one of the greatest keys we have teaching people about the checks and balances teaching people what their responsibilities are, you know, we need Americans if our founding fathers give up their lives, their sacred honors and their fortunes, how about a few of us moving to constitutional states? And you know, what, how about getting in a county of providing enough mojo to elect the sheriff that will toe the line and tell the IRS to take a hike? How many it's going to take enough of us, but we're going to have to have patriots get together, we're going to have to educate, and we're going to have to encourage, it's a long process, but they didn't ruin America overnight. And we're not gonna fix it overnight either. It is fixable, though. I'm convinced. But you got to apply the right principles. And you got to have a group of patrons that set brush fires of freedom, literally everywhere. Yeah. And you said, you say education, the education system really is the key to this whole thing. I mean, this is why we are where we are. They've been indoctrinating kids in schools for you know, 50 years. So now, everybody that's a professor or that runs a tech company, or that's in the government or a politician is a bonafide communist. I mean, it's, it's all out of the educational system. And if we don't fix that, we're never going to fix the country. Well, and what happens is that the parents go down and riot at their government school board going, Hey, I don't like to teach and perverted sex to my kids. And I don't like you treat, you know, teaching critical race theory. And I don't like all this perversion and weird stuff going on, stop it. And the government's response all the way from your local school board all the way up to the FBI and the Justice Department and the CIA are basically saying, Hey, you're a terrorist, you're on the terrorist watch list. So instead of us taking responsibility and yanking our kids out of school, and you're setting down the school because no one attends it. Look, if everybody pulled their kids out, no one had their kids in school, it would just simply crumble and go away. But see, what they want to do is they say, I still gotta have my babysitter. I still gotta have my government school there. My indoctrination center, I don't know what I'll do. And so until parents get really serious, I've got eight children. I haven't put a single one of them the government school at taxpayers expense, and I never will, Canada, US to use them. So I'm just telling you, it's doable, folks. We can make individual decisions for liberty. And if you look at it Budget cost to send a kid to a government school every year, I've saved the taxpayers millions of dollars. Let's get to the last point you mentioned a few minutes ago, this is what I believe is the answer. That is the cspo. A. You mentioned Sheriff Mack. He's been on this program a couple of times. Before we get into that too far. How did you get involved with this cspo A. Alright, so I'm gonna talk show host, as you mentioned, at the start of the program for over 25 years, I do a nationally syndicated program. It's on am and FM radio stations across the country. Anyway, I've been around for a long time, Liberty roundtable is the show. And I used to interview Richard Mack when he was getting ready to go to the Supreme Court. And so I interviewed him before he went to the Supreme Court, I interviewed him after his win. And I basically had been friends with him because of those interviews. And then when he launched the CSPA, I was there, from the inaugural creation of the organization until now, and most of the time as a talk show host, I reject joining groups, I don't join groups, typically, because I just find that all it does is compromise you with, you know, pretty soon, if you're part of one group, they don't like you and another group, et cetera, et cetera. But you know, as I really spend time with Richard Mack, but I realized what personal sacrifice it took for him to get all the way to the Supreme Court. And when, and then when I realized he was creating an organization. Most people don't understand what the cspo is a cspo. A is a group of citizens that back our sheriff's. So in Vegas, I gave a speech over a decade ago, to over a couple of 100 sheriffs, and police officers and the title of my talk was sheriff's will be backed by Americans. And that's really what the cspo is, we're a training organization to help public officials understand their oath of office and have fidelity to them. Our goal is to help them understand due process, and teach them that it's their job to ensure we have due process and protection as citizens from enemies, foreign and domestic inside and outside of government. Their duty is to make sure that I'm treated with respect as to my rights that I do have due process of law. And so this ESPYS whole goal is to help that happen. And we have several examples of sheriffs taking actions that have protected citizens throughout the years. But it all started with Richard Mack. And when I worked with him, and as a result of his supreme court case, winning everything, I realized that was a true blue gentleman with an answer with a solution that can actually work. It's not a citizens Grand Jury where you say we indicted, but now we can't arrest or do anything. You literally work with your county sheriff who has authority, you literally work with your county commission, you literally work with your DEA, all three branches of government on the very local level, we've done that in several counties in Nevada holds two of those counties. And in those counties, that constitutional counties, they have passed resolutions that say, Look, we're not going to tolerate the government abuses here. And so we are gaining ground, people are learning and people are making progress. It's so slow, it's frustrating. Remember, the wheels of justice, grind slow, and we can only do what we can within our own power, then we need to trust the society at large, and trust our God for the answers. We can't solve it all. But we can do what's right and teach others to do the same. And I've seen more people stand up for liberty in meaningful, productive ways in the last five years than I have in the first 25 I was doing this. So I believe there's hope. And I believe there's a lot of courage. But there's also a lot of encouragement needed as we work together. But we are making progress. We really are. Yeah, and the sheriff's really are the key. You know, we've talked about it before. The sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county, he outranks anybody else. Federal, state, local, doesn't matter. So the sheriff, if he wants to stop or she wants to stop, whatever, they can absolutely do that. You just have to make sure that your sheriff is a constitutional sheriff. And that's what the CS POA is all about training, the sheriff's as you mentioned, to know that and to know what their oath is to understand the Constitution and to know really what their job is. You know, it's funny. We used to call you know, back in the day they called cops, we called peace officers. But they changed that terminology. Now they call them law enforcement officers. I think that's kind of interesting. Well, it's a whole difference in mentality and the whole difference in training that goes behind it, right? That's right. So before it was about keeping the peace, now, it's about rolling up to your house and a tank and kicking in your front door with SWAT gear and stuff like that. So, you know, it is a whole different mentality. But the cspo is the answer. I'm not going to look, Sheriff Mac's court cases is monumental. I mean, people don't understand. I mean, the only reason we have a second amendment at all today is because of that decision. I firmly believe that. However, I will say the courts the judiciary has been compromised and the Supreme Court the way it is constituted. Now, I'm not sure if Sheriff Mack would have won that decision. No, he wouldn't. And Richard even speaks to that saying you know what he believes it was a blessing from Almighty to set a case precedent hunting decision in modern times is the greatest 10th amendment decision ever rendered, by the way, if you go study it, but Richard even says I wouldn't go to the Supreme Court's now what I would do is teach states to nullify. And Tom woods, the great speaker and podcaster and educator really highlights the importance of no nullify now he wrote a book about it. He documents the founding era historical reality of it. And we really believe that's the answer to sheriffs, and DBAs, and attorney generals, and governors, and you know, they can all assert themselves, and interpose and protect the people's rights and due process. And that's what we're encouraging and teaching them to do.

Jason Davis:

Outstanding. So I heard the CES POA has a big conference push for this year. Tell us about that.

Sam Bushman:

So we're working on a big conference in Vegas is where we have it kind of slated, we're having a little bit of difficulty because of COVID, and masks and travel and planes. And you know, there's a lot of people who used to fly now they simply will not even fly. And so we're having a little bit of trouble with some logistics on it. But understand, we're working towards that goal. We've had some big events in the past. And we want to do another one because we believe it's really time to stand on these principles. A lot of our critics try to argue down and manipulate what we say. And when they run out of real intelligence to discuss it, they call us racist. They say, Oh, your posse comitatus comes from racist white supremacist stuff. It couldn't be more further from the truth, folks, the truth is we believe in we're all God's children, let's start to act like it treat each other with kindness, love and respect. Let's literally go back to the community policing days where the police officers were friends of the public, the public were the eyes and ears of the peace officers, the peace officers had relationships with the community, and coordination took place to say, look, if you're gonna come in my county, any government entity, you better meet with me first, if I'm the sheriff, you better let me review and make sure that my citizens rights are being protected. And if you have your documentation in order, then you know that we can proceed and tell them though, you might need to take a hike and obey the law. And we need stand up people in every county across America. And I believe in the biggest counties in the biggest states, it's almost a lost cause. I don't mean that negatively. But I do mean to say we can put ourselves in positions and in places where there is a stronger affinity for freedom, for liberty for freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, redress of grievances, and you've got to gravitate towards those places where people are making that happen. Like minded people need to work together. And so we're training across the country. But you know, what the big state police chiefs and the in the big cities and anything else they answer to who appointed them? They don't answer as an elected sheriff would to the people that elected him or her. And so we need to be very careful and understand the jurisdictional differences there as well. And sadly, we've let this run off the rails for literally my whole lifetime, 50 plus years. And so it's gonna take a long time to get it back. I know people are frustrated, but they've got to be patient and understand we've let this go for way too long. And it's going to take a row to hoe and a lot of personal sacrifice to unwind their criminal abuses. Yes, it is standard is above us solids. It's horrible. Don't give up. But understand that won't happen quickly.

Jason Davis:

That's good advice. I think it's gonna get a lot worse before

Sam Bushman:

I know to annonces everybody's getting arrested tomorrow, but don't believe

Jason Davis:

what they've been saying that for like two years.

Sam Bushman:

Yeah, there's the problem is you just, you know, you just they've had to change due to the circumstances, right. But it's gonna be bigger than it would have been. So don't worry about that. Right. Yeah.

Jason Davis:

There's more intel coming in. We

Sam Bushman:

put it back. Correct. Yeah. Well, hold on. I'm not buying any of that, ladies and gentlemen. I don't believe it's the answer or the solution. And I feel like people are being deceived into this. They have this great hope, Jason. They have this hope that somehow men it could just be I just hope that a TV show length program, we can fix the country. And it's a false hope, sir. And I don't mean to be negative. But I do mean to be a realist. It is a false hope.

Jason Davis:

Yep. I think you're right on target again. See that Sam, we went five for five. All right, we both agree. And that's pretty amazing to go five for five with anybody in this country anymore. So again, National Operations Director The CSP away CSP oa.org. Sam, if people want to help and get involved with the CES POA, where do they find you? How do they help you the most so

Sam Bushman:

we have a weekly TV show The simulcast with my radio show. It's called the sheriff back show on Bridey on.tv. We do it every Tuesday morning, myself and the good sheriff. We're co hosts of that TV show, which again, simulcast on my radio show as well. I tell you that because that's where you can see us often and keep up to what we're doing the most. In addition to that we now have what's called the Sheriff's Posse and it is an online opportunity Wherever you join the CSP away, at CSP way.org, you can join the weekly posse webinar. And in that webinar, it's ran by zoom, and you can type in questions in chat. And we answer questions on the fly. And the whole goal is to give guidance of how to approach your sheriff, how to try to really work on, you know, you don't want to just assault your sheriff, he's already a pretty tough guy. That's what sheriffs are. And so you know what? attacking them isn't your answer. Trying to pay attention to how to win friends and influence people is a good place to start understanding that building a relationship of trust with your sheriff, where he knows your name, and you know his name, and you provide good support, you become eyes and ears of the sheriff. That's how we teach, we need to go about this. A lot of the sheriffs grew up in government school indoctrination centers, like the rest of us. And then I'll mean to be oath breakers. You know what most of them are good, honest, moral, Christian people. But you know what, they don't realize at some point, we've all had our awakening moment where we go, whoa. And then it's an incredible steep learning curve, right. And so we've got to give these sheriffs and these leaders a little bit of grace, as we work with public officials, you know what give them time to get up to speed. Eventually, if they don't, you got to replace him, I get it. But in the meantime, we can start by not treating them as enemies, by being kind and considerate and respectful, and you know what, help them get up to speed. And a lot of sheriffs will do that. If they're given the right information. And it's positioned right meaning that you come across in a genuine, friendly, open patient respectful way, then you're gonna gain ground. If you don't, though, you might start off on the wrong foot and lose more ground than you gain. And you might not be even giving great people that have grace, enough chance to learn their duties. We've all got to start somewhere. You've got to unlearn your government school propaganda before you can learn the truth, oftentimes, so I'm just telling you to be patient with people. And I would start by saying, Does your sheriff know your name? And do you know your sheriff's name? And are you building a relationship of trust? If so, I would say you're starting today starting out, right? If not, I would say you might want to week recalibrate your efforts, if you will.

Jason Davis:

That's all good advice. And and then once you get to know your sheriff, I would encourage them to have the CSP OA or sheriff Matt come up and do a class for them. That would be great to Sam Bushman, everybody, the cspa.org Liberty roundtable.com and the sheriff Mac show on Brighty on TV, Sam, thank you appreciate your time. God bless. Thank

Sam Bushman:

you so much for the opportunity. God bless all of you. Thanks for you're paying attention to the sacred cause of liberty and all your work. You know, it is happening one person at a time the power of one is incredible. One becomes two then becomes the view. And then before you know it, if we keep training and we keep at it, we have many liberty loving Americans, and that's what our prayer is for, sir. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

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