The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth with Powerhouse Attorney Thomas Renz

Government corruption, fraud, deceit and lies to the American people? A global conspiracy  against the human race? Everything we've been told is a lie and there is evidence to back it up. You've seen so much over the last two years but did you know that not only was there a coordinated propaganda assault on the public but an even larger propaganda campaign against the courts? Do you know who Yuval Nori Harari is? How about Vanguard and Blackrock? What do investment firms have to do with all this anyway? The powerhouse lead attorney for Make Americans Free Again (MAFA) and the American Front Line Doctors is here to answer all this and more. Thomas Renz joins the show. Buckle up!

Guest Profile:
Attorney Thomas Renz is the lead Attorney in several major cases brought in Ohio, New Mexico, Maine, and Nationally against the CDC, DHHS, and even Fauci,  regarding forced vaccine mandates, big tech censorship, the COVID-19 lockdowns, mask mandates, business closures, false PCR data, fraudulent death numbers, and more. Attorney Thomas Renz works with and represents America's Frontline Doctors and Make Americans Free Again.   His website is  www.Renz-Law.com

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Show Notes:
DOD Defense Department Epidemiological Database (complete health records for all military personnel) shows hundreds of percent increased incidence and onset of cancers, heart conditions, neurological, and more since the vaccines have been introduced.

Global Agenda with the WEF, Bill Gates, Yuval Nori Harari, and others pulling the strings

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Transcript

Intro: 1:12

fighting back against the left's non stop attacks on liberty, freedom. And America, America. This is don't tread on liberty. Jason Davis is on the air.

Jason Davis: 1:28

Hey, welcome back to don't tread on liberty. Thanks for being here. Jason Davis back with more information you need to know. And we're going to continue on our theme for solutions for Spring this year, a lot of bad news out there. But a lot of people have a lot of good solutions. And one of those folks is actually I think leading the way, at least in the courts, from the very beginning, you know, just an attorney from Ohio that saw some things that weren't quite right. And since then, he's brought several major cases in federal court, against the CDC, and even Dr. Doom himself. And, you know, now he's a household name. So of course, I'm talking about attorney Thomas wrens. Counselor, thanks for being here. How are you today?

Thomas Renz: 2:11

Great. Glad to be here. How you doing, Jason?

Jason Davis: 2:13

I'm doing great. Thanks so much. So I've been following your work from the beginning. I've been with making Americans free again, since the very beginning of this whole thing. And of course, you're leading the way right from the start against the state of emergencies with major lawsuits, and several states. And now, those have largely been on the retreat, I think, really primarily due to your efforts, but we have a whole host of other problems. And we could probably spend a lot of time talking about a lot of things. But just for time, I want to focus on several key things that you're working on. So one of the big things that you came out and kind of told everybody about was this database with the DOD, the military personnel health records, a lot of people don't know about this database. So for those folks, can you quickly just catch us up to speed on that and what you found.

Thomas Renz: 3:08

So basically, what that was, is the Defense Department has what's called the defense medical epidemiological database. D de med database. And that database is essentially, it takes all the electronic medical records for all of our soldiers, which are really good records, because, you know, the only put in by doctors or health professionals, and they're maintained in a single place. And you know, they've got a very good record of everybody's health, because it's a military and they track that. So, you know, we we saw it, and we had a couple of whistleblowers came forth, and they're great people, great soldiers and great patriots. And what they what they found is that going from 2020 to 2021, with only real difference being the implementation of vaccine mandate, the numbers for all sorts of injuries and diseases just absolutely spiked. We're talking about cancers, we're talking about diseases of the nervous system, we're seeing all these things. And the spike was huge, absolutely huge. Well, you know, we presented this to Senator Johnson that kind of blew up all over the place, and a lot of people heard about it. And to this day, we haven't gotten any sort of a real response. The only thing that that has happened is an independent Defense Department said, oh, there was a glitch. That's it. And they said it twice, once to a fact check organization. And the other time, they said that they submitted to a court, an untitled piece of paper wasn't really even on letterhead. No one signed it. And it just said, yeah, there was a glitch. I mean, it was the worst thing I've ever seen. And the reason that no one would sign it or do anything with it, is because they didn't want to get caught for perjury, submitting a lie to a court. They also didn't want to get cross examined. See, these people are terrified, absolutely terrified of being cross examined under oath or being subjected to any real discovery, because they know that it's all a lie. Everything that they've said and done is a lie in they can't avoid it forever. So we're gonna keep going. But that DoD data was damning. The idea that it was a glitch is absurd. You know, even if it was off by a little bit here a little bit there. That hardly explains the jump that we saw. I mean, it could have been off by 50% That wouldn't have mattered. It will you know, when he said talking about 400% jumps, yet they don't really have an explanation. Just there's a glitch. Well, we spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year watching this database. I suppose we're okay with glitches, you know, during COVID, the most dangerous deadly disease in history according to these guys, they can't even keep their epidemiological databases clear. So I think this whole thing I think that's Really a great illustration of the way the government is taking care of this whole thing. They lie. They cover up they obfuscate, they work with their crooks in the mainstream media to cover things up. And, you know, just it's expensive all of us

Jason Davis: 6:23

go, counselor, I'm not an attorney, but I've worked a full career in law enforcement. So I know a little bit about the law. Maybe you can clear this up for me. I mean, at some point, you can't really say it's a glitch anymore. When every single database there is says the same thing, right?

Thomas Renz: 6:41

Well, one would think so you worked in law enforcement, I'll tell you, if you walked into a crime scene, you saw a dead body. It's not a gun sitting next to the dead body. You found fingerprints on the gun. On the dead body, you found you know, scrapings underneath the nails from where they were clawed against someone, you know, what was under the nails match up with the, you know, the guy whose fingerprints were on the gun. And the guy whose fingerprints on the gun had clothes that had blood from the victim on him. I mean, at some point, though, you know, maybe you didn't have a video of him shooting this guy. But you know, what, how much do you need? Yeah, how much how much evidence you need before you can convict someone?

Jason Davis: 7:24

So that's my question is, when can we actually do something to these people about that? We have all the insurers, health insurance, life insurance companies, they're all coming out saying there's been you know, hundreds of percent increases in all these things that you mentioned. And they've got higher rates of death for, you know, middle aged folks that don't normally die at that proportional rate. And this is all since the, you know, what was introduced? And, you know, we've got every database, not just virus in the USA, but the English, the UK version of that. You've got this DoD one that you're talking about. They all say the same thing. So again, like, you're just as you said, I mean, we basically got him dead to rights here. I mean, what has that? I guess my question is what has to happen before we can actually take some legal action? Well, we're

Thomas Renz: 8:19

taking a lot of legal action, it's just getting through it. So there's several things that are occurring. You know, people don't realize, but some of the cases that we filed that were, you know, first cases are still in court. They just take a long time. Right. You know, I mean, we've got, we just got word that we're going to have oral arguments before the Sixth Circuit coming up. You know, I mean, that's it just that fast. Nothing we can do about that. Yeah, we are and we have been taking action. Now. There's, there's you hear about cases and in that have hit the Supreme Court or this out of the other. One thing you've got to understand is, there is an opportunity as a lawyer to bring a case, under what's commonly referred to or been colloquially referred to as the rocket docket. I don't know if you've heard that in the press. But some people have talked about it. What that means is that you're bringing a case and you're requesting an emergency injunction. And so you're flying through all the courts and asking the courts to make room in their docket, because it's an emergency in the Senate and other now, you can do that. And there's instances where it's appropriate. And we've we've we've filed some, you know, requests for temporary injunctions. We could have appealed some of those to the Supreme Court, but we're kind of judicious about it. Because if you're going to do that, you know, it's better to make sure that you can, you can get these cases where you need them, in my opinion. And also remember, there's a huge difference between someone who's asking for an exemption, and someone who's doing most of our cases are much more, we tend to look at go to the root of the problem, right? So a lot of what I'm doing is going to the root of the problem. We're challenging the author, authorization and licensing of the vaccine, for example, in one case, we're challenging the way that the data is accounted for. And another, you know, we're calling we're calling the business closures of taking and another. I mean, these are big, complicated cases. And we'd all like to see them done yesterday. But that's just not the way the court systems work. So there's that as far as the thing, you know, when most people say the sewer know how long before they see 5g and orange, which we all want? That is going to be something that, you know, we're going to keep working on through the courts. But the people are going to have to really force that right. I mean, you need to be calling. If you've got a Republican who's not calling for Fauci sand right now. Then you need to throw him out of office and get a new Republican because they aren't, you know, they're garbage. And that's one of the big things that we've got to do is we the people stand up and do something

Jason Davis: 10:58

there and I agree, I think most of the Republicans should be thrown out, because the vast majority of them are not standing up for anything. And we commonly call them the hear, you know, we call them the unit party. It's almost like Republicans or Democrats is a two sides of the same coin. You know, they're both on the same side, they just play theater to the American public. So I totally get what you're saying there. It's just, you know, a law enforcement guy like me, you got to remember, I mean, I'm thinking with all this evidence, I mean, the FBI should be all over this and kicking in doors and stuff like that,

Thomas Renz: 11:34

right? Yeah, you're assuming DOJ is honest.

Jason Davis: 11:38

Exactly. That's I guess that's my mistake. I thought we had an honest government. So the other thing that really was that really irked me, and you probably elaborate on this, but HHS changed the definition of what a vaccine is kind of similar to what the W H. O did. And they didn't have any public hearing about that or anything. And some people say it's illegal, what they did, what do you think?

Thomas Renz: 12:07

Well, I got a case on it. I'll tell you, I'll tell you when it's over. I absolutely think it's illegal. So you know, the Administrative Procedure Act, it's the APA for for short. Okay, that governs what these agencies these bureaucrats are supposed to be able to do. And one of the rules is, under that law, that you're not supposed to make these big giants changes that have a big giant impact without going through the rulemaking process. Well, they just did it over and over again. And I mentioned I got cases that are in there that have been there for a long time. So I got a case that we filed. And it's been in the courts for since the very beginning. It's one of the first cases we filed, where we asked about them changing the definition of of dying with a disease because they decided that COVID You know, if you had COVID, within 80 miles of you and you die, you might be a COVID Doubt. So you're going to be counted as one. We said, well, that's illegal. That's a big change. And it was done without any sort of rulemaking process or input from the pile and it just dictated from on high. Well, that's affected trillions of dollars in spending trillions. So you know, we're asking that gate, what are we asked the same thing for the vaccines, we said they misbranded them they're not vaccines, which they aren't. Their gene therapies. This has been acknowledged by both Pfizer and moderna. Gene therapy is traditionally you know, it's a therapeutic, it's something that's not a vaccine, and these aren't even good therapeutics, they don't work as therapeutics, let alone as vaccines don't work as anything other than poison. So you know, you're right. And, you know, a lot of people are very frustrated, like you are, and I'm with him. You know, I fight with this now. I used to, you know, I spent a lot of years boxing, martial arts, athletics, sports, I just want to go punch someone. Okay. But that's yeah, I just can't do that. So, so I gotta be patient. Some days, it's hard. But, you know, every day that I keep every day, I keep fighting it. And I think the biggest thing is, is while I'm trying to wait for the courts to do it, the courts need to do I'm also asking the people to get involved in for them to wake up and trying to educate people and help them do what they can do

Jason Davis: 14:27

ya Amen to that. We've been trying to do that here for two years. Where is this all coming from? So you know, people like me that conspiracy theorists, people, we think the world we think the World Economic Forum kind of drives all of this worldwide, because it's, you know, it's kind of funny that every country on Earth is doing the same things. They're saying the same thing. Like literally word for word, the same thing. And it's all coming from this world economic forum place, this guy Klaus Schwab. And, you know, Bill Gates and people like that, and this other nut job. You've all nori Harare, who's out there saying, you know, we're the last generation of homeo, sapiens, and all of that craziness. Now, I think you Yeah. Now you've been looking into this guy a little bit. What have you found out boy a

Thomas Renz: 15:21

lot. And I just assume that no, any of it. So let me let me start with this because I want to take people back, right. So right now you see what we would allege to be corruption. Okay. Corruption means that people been bought off. They're doing things wrong for their own gain, things like that. Right. All right. So we would I would argue this has happened on a global scale, as you said, you're hearing the same thing and all these different places. It doesn't make sense in any of them. And it's all garbage. So when we talk about crux, the first guy we look at Anthony Fauci, and he is absolutely a crook. And I don't think there's a hole deep enough to throw him into. Now that said, for the crook, Anthony Fauci to do what the Kirk Anthony Fauci does. There's gotta be someone pulling those strings, right? I mean, he's got to be making money from somewhere. He's got to be getting getting this. You know, I mean, he isn't just doing it for certainly he's not doing it for altruism. And he's not doing it because he believes it's right, because no one could be that stupid. So he's got to be doing this at the behest of someone. So, you know, you look at this, and, and I wrote about this in my sub stack, which by the way, I really want to encourage everybody that's listening, if you can, please sign up for my sub stack. That's how I'm, that's how I'm keeping people informed. There's a free side of paid side, don't care which one you do. Any money I make Off it goes to the fight, but the Tom getting the message out, and that's a really a critical thing right now. So get it, share it Help Help me Help Me Grow that I wrote on there the other day about this. I said, okay, so who's pulling the strings? Well, if you look, this World Economic Forum, and all the clowns involved are certainly certainly involved. I mean, you got gates and Schwab, and all of these scumbags. And Schwab has been writing about this stuff since 71, I think, is when he started this. And he wrote the great reset. I mean, you know, COVID, it's awesome, we got it, we can reset the whole globe, right? Fourth Industrial Revolution. He's been working on this for more decades than I've been alive. So, you know, here's the thing, when we start talking about this stuff, it's out there, and I'm a hardcore evidence guy, right? I mean, I'm a lawyer, I can't take to court something that I can't prove. But listen, when I got a guy's own words, what am I supposed to do? Tell him to tell him that he didn't mean it. I mean, you know, he said that he wants to do this. He said this, he they've talked about this, they've talked about what an opportunity COVID is. And since we know COVID has a point to 6% case fatality rate, you know, just it's probably in the ballpark of the seasonal flu for danger. Since we know the vaccines don't work, since we know everything they're doing is a lie, then you have to say to yourself, Okay, there's got to be another motive. What's the motive? Well, I mean, he told us his motive, right? Is that he wants to reset the world, the fourth industrial revolution. Well, what's that mean? Right? So then you look at what he's been saying about the fourth industrial revolution. And what the people around him are saying, they're saying, listen, Fourth Industrial Revolution, that's not just, you know, changing manufacturing or something like that. It's changing people. What so swap is said that the fourth industrial revolution is about changing people. And Harare explains that a lot further. He says, you know, we're gonna hack people free wills and illusion. God is fake news. Jesus Christ is fake news. The idea that people are autonomous, self determinative, creatures, you know, that's all. So they've told us that this is what they believe. And they've, they're claiming that they've got the capacity to do this, that they have the ability to hack people to control people. So you know, listen, what am I going to tell you? I'll tell you that I don't believe them. I think that's pretty risky. Given that, given the fact that Harare is is oddly enough Jewish, but by race, but also a Nazi sympathizer. You know, he's, he's praised doorbells, he has, he's lamented the fact that the KGB and the Nazis didn't have the technology we have today. You know, these elites, this elite race, this elite group of humans, you know, they they're going to rule the world, they should be in charge. Well, that means the rest of us are slaves. That's what that means, right? I mean, if they're going to control us with computers, or whatever it is that they're going to control us with. If we're going to lose freewill. If we're going to lose autonomy, then we're slaves. Right? And, you know, I don't know what kind of an idiot would be stupid enough to hook themselves up to a computer in that way. But I suspect you won't have to hook up. I suspect it'll be kind of a little bit more insidious than that, because I don't think anybody would do that. And I think they know that. So you know, the thing about this is, is we have these sick, perverted monsters. I mean, like I said, anybody who's telling me telling me that he's sorry that the Nazis didn't have more power? Can you imagine just stands on Trump? But can you imagine if Donald Trump had invited someone into the White House, or praised someone who said that gurbles understood understood things and was you know, had good ideas and that, you know, it's too bad. The Nazis didn't have more power. I mean, the universe would have exploded. Well,

Jason Davis: 21:00

well, he didn't have to say that they were calling him Hitler. Anyway. Remember, they were already calling? Yeah,

Thomas Renz: 21:07

I remember. But this guy's Actually Actually speaking out and fan is a fan of what the, you know, the Nazis were doing, and yet they keep inviting him back to the World Economic Forum, the New York Times seems to think he's really enlightened. And you know, it's one of these things where, you know, it's kinda like the old thing. If you have to tell me, you're smart than you probably aren't. Well, these people all like to sit around and tell each other how smart they are. Because they're stupid. And they get suckered into thinking how enlightened this guy is, well, if you think this guy's enlightened, you're an idiot. You're one of the people who would have been in Germany thinking, yeah, Hitler's got a good idea. You know, I mean, you're that kind of an idiot. Because that's what happened in Germany, Hitler convinced people that they were having a good idea. You know, that he's got the answers. He's got the solutions. And these morons in Germany thought, yeah, maybe he does. And so they supported him. Well, Harare is telling us that he and Carl are Klaus Schwab and gates. And guess who else has praised him? None other than President Obama? Biden into the Schwaber buddies, all these guys. You know, what can I say? It's their words, not mine.

Jason Davis: 22:24

Yeah. And I mean, we all know, we all know that these guys are pushing this now. My question counselor is who put these guys in charge? How do they have this kind of influence over the entire globe?

Thomas Renz: 22:38

Well, you gotta understand something. When you talk about Klaus Schwab in the World Economic Forum, he's not the only piece of the puzzle. There's a lot more pieces. Now we've been working very hard behind the scenes to connect those pieces. And we are we're making great progress. It's a lot bigger than just Klaus Schwab and Nova, you've all know Harare. Okay. But you got to ask yourself, what kind of a coalition would it take to pull pull something off this big? Right? And, you know, you you then you got to think about who would be involved? Well, listen, once you have a billion dollars, you have your own economy, okay, you have your own economy around you. And a lot of these guys have bigger personal wealth than the majority of countries in the world. I mean, these guys, you're talking about wealth. They don't care about money anymore. Okay, it's that's not it, it's now it's about power, because they couldn't lose their money if they had to. So when you start asking the who's you got to remember, it's not just one or two, there's a group of them now, eventually, eventually, you always get to the head of the snake. Now, I cannot tell you that I know for sure who the head of the snake currently is. There's a small group of people that seem to be pulling a call and a lot of punches. I mean, the paperwork showing that there's, there's a handful of places where a lot of these, I guess, directives or ideas or edicts are coming from. But you know, we've got a long ways to go before I can take that to court. I'm working as fast as I can on it. But you know, these guys got billions of dollars, they got teams of 1000s and 1000s of people working for him. It takes some time to get through all that. Sure.

Jason Davis: 24:24

Absolutely. And, I mean, I know a lot of the players, right, the Rockefellers, the gates, we have the Kissinger's all these types of people, Obama. So I get it, it's all very entangled. What's funny is, it's all this, you know, one of their major agendas, is this d popularization thing. And that's where, you know, I think the jab comes in and all that. But I mean, don't they realize that they're essentially signing themselves, their own families and stuff up for extinction? I mean, don't they get that?

Thomas Renz: 25:00

I mean, if you're asking me to explain the mind of a psychopath, I'm sorry, I can't. What I can tell you though, is, you know, there's a lot of things happening. There's things that we suspect, and there's things that we can prove. Now, I'm very careful to differentiate between the two. You know, I suspect that there is a huge conspiracy behind all of these things that that's doing all this stuff, and I've got a lot of evidence to support it. I don't have enough to prove it, yet. I have more than enough. Let's I've got a gun at the crime scene. Right. I've got a gun at the crime scene and there's fingerprints on it, but I don't know whose prints they are. I don't have the motives. I don't have the desks. I don't have that. So I'm not there yet. But you know, as law enforcement, you know, this, you know, you start an investigation, you go where the evidence takes you. So, head I got to Anthony Fauci and I saw that Anthony Fauci was trying to cover up because he and Ralph barrack and Peter Gresik had built this in the lab in Wuhan, and that was the end of it, then I would have stopped. But that isn't the end of it. I Got more evidence, a lot more evidence, immense amounts more evidence than that. So I know there's more. So I'm, I'm, I'm going to the next step and the next step and the next step. And that's what we're doing. I mean, you know, for example, recently, you know, I've I've talked a lot about the fact that Hunter Biden had seemed to have an economic interest in the creation of COVID-19. I mean, Biden's group Rosemont, Seneca invested into a company called meta biota, meta biota was, you know, in, they were tied in with equal Health Alliance during the time, that eco Health Alliance created SARS, cov. Two, you know, it's there's no question now, here's what you may not know, because this is pretty new. Hunter Biden was also through meta biota, and some of the associated companies in Ukraine Bio Labs. And there's evidence that the Ukrainian Bio Labs were also working on COVID-19, well, before COVID-19 existed, which is interesting. I don't know how they could have done that.

Jason Davis: 27:17

Yeah, I didn't know that actually. And we already had the money given from the Biden's to Ukraine. And we already knew that they were doing research their biomedical research there. And, of course, now, word is getting out that, you know, this whole thing with Russia, Russia is actually hitting their strikes or against a lot of these bio lab facilities. And of course, Ukraine wanted to get into NATO and become a nuclear power. So historically speaking, I mean, that's what the Cuban Missile Crisis was all about. I mean, so if Putin thinks there's gonna be a nuke on the other side of his border, he's probably going to take action. I think that's what he's doing. So, you know, again, you can't really believe anything that we hear coming out about this. And I'm sure that Putin is not the big bad wolf that everybody says he is. I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm just saying it's probably not what they say. So, let's get granular. You know, you mentioned before people need to stand up and get involved. Okay, so a couple things. First, how can people get involved and help you with what you're doing?

Thomas Renz: 28:26

Number one thing right now, is helping me with the substack. What I've got to do is we're so censored. So I'm bigger I do a lot of fair bit of posting on Ghana will use truth, social once that's up and running. We do cloud hub. But the biggest, the biggest support manager there, but the biggest thing is this is this substack thing, it's a newsletter, right? It's just me sending out what I'm getting. Now, I will tell you, just heads up, I don't just write about COVID, sometimes I get fired up about something and I you know, it doesn't have to be about COVID. But that is that is where I put out a lot of my stuff. Just about most of it's free, I've got some stuff that you got to pay for. But most of it's free. If you do pay, all the money goes towards the fight. But that's big, because what I want to do is I want to get to develop a mechanism where I can share this information, you know, if this when this started out, we've had to work so hard to develop an audience, you know, and man, it's, it's been a bear, if I could just put out a newsletter and let people know. I mean, that'd be spectacular. So that's one of the things that we're working on. And really, it's a manifestation of a lot of things, including the need for more time. Right? I can only be in so many spots at once. And I mean, I've got weeks from doing 20 to 30 interviews, and or more. And, I mean, I still have to be a lawyer, I still I'm a dad and a husband. I still got to be fighting this, you know, on all these fronts, but the fight is always three parts legal, political PR. So which leads me to the other thing you can do is get involved in your local politics. Join be a precinct captain, join your party, your your local party, and make sure that you're there to watch the election and that there's no fraud. I don't care if you're Democrat, Republican, or you know, a fan of what is it the Green Party, I don't care. Nobody wins with broken elections. That's just not a good recipe for stability in a country. We've got to get that cleaned up. Got to make sure that there aren't, you know, mules bringing in fake ballots. Which, you know, I guess is the big thing right now. So, you know, I'm not here to be at a tirade about election fraud, but we've got to watch that. And we've got to get active, you know, sharing data sharing information. Math, I love math. I'll pay I'm a spectacular Pam popper. matha has been the most steady organization in this that I've ran across in terms of being there just consistent. Now that you've got stand for health, freedom is a great group, get truth in health, you got all sorts of good groups out there. But I love math has consistency. So that's, that's great. Get involved. And I gotta tell you, when that's when Pam told me she wanted to do some Iowa weekly meeting choose you pound I want weekly bi weekly meetings a week like Jesus, I heard weekly meetings in my sleep. But I gotta tell you, she was she was dead on with her weekly meetings. What we found now is that MAMP has become kind of a support group, it's become a opportunity for people, hey, I need to find the, you know, the local dentist or doctor who doesn't require a mask or this or that other. I mean, you know, it's a referral group. And what it's doing is it's a critical component to what we're doing, because we're going to have to have parallel sectors going, you know, right now. So for example, today I was looking, and I see that Union Pacific is going to going to stop, they're going to, they're going to cut back on the amount of fertilizer that they can set that they'll send ship to farmers this spring. That's a disaster. Well, then I decided, well, let's look at this. Who owns Union Pacific? Oh, BlackRock and Vanguard two biggest holders. Now, that may not make sense to too many people. But let me tell you who BlackRock and Vanguard are. They're the two biggest investment funds in the universe. They're the two biggest in the world. And they're tied in this whole world economic forum. They're tied in with everything bad that you can imagine. They win when people lose, they win win, America loses. Okay, so they're there. They're right up there. They're in a different sector, but trust me, they're every bit as bad as Anthony Fauci. I wonder why they would, you know, given that they're expecting a food shortage, why would they refuse to ship fertilizer? And why isn't Biden looking into this, given that he's talking about a food shortage? And he said, there could be a shortage? Well, maybe you should look into why they're not shipping the food or the fertilizer. You know, but but no one's going to ask him that. No one's going to ask Biden that. No one's going to ask him why why BlackRock and Vanguard is, is major owners aren't going to step up and do something to prevent this food shortage. Nobody's going to ask why these people are investing in every critical piece of infrastructure, whether it's energy, whether it's food, whether it's finance, in the US, ladies and gents, I'm going to tell you, I know, you need to stick together Matthaei, pick your groups, we're either going to we're going to this is going to get a lot worse, nationally and internationally. Before it gets better, and it's not going to change unless we make a change. So we get we the people got to stand up. I'm fighting in the courts. But if you think that the courts are going to say, Okay, we're going to turn everything over. If if no one's doing anything else, you're fooling yourself, because we've got to have some we got to have to we got to have enough people enough we the people for the work that we're doing in the courts to be credible. So we got to have you involved?

Jason Davis: 34:42

Yeah, involvement locally is so important. And you're dead on, you know, with everything you just said, it almost makes you think they're trying to create a food shortage, you know, that they could be doing, they wouldn't be doing that. I mean, that would never happen. So you mentioned the courts. And I do want to kind of get into that with you a little bit, assuming that a lot of this will probably ended up going to the Supreme Court. I have serious concerns about the Supreme Court, the way it is currently constituted. I'd say the vast majority of them, even the so called conservative justices are on the globalist side of things. I mean, you saw the hearings about the COVID Vax mandate. And the questions these guys are asking are ridiculous. I mean, look, their purview is not to decide how many lives can be saved by this or that their purview is to tell us if this rule or this law is constitutional when paired against the United States Constitution. That's it. And the last time I checked counselor, there's no exemption for pandemics in the United States Constitution is there

Thomas Renz: 35:53

not to my knowledge, I've read it a time or two and I haven't seen that in there. Now, the Anthony Fauci pandemic exemption. But you know, the thing about this is, is so, and we've made a little bit of this public and a speech We have an immense amount of evidence. So you know, the general population was was targeted very hard with a disinformation campaign from from the CDC to the federal government all these globalists lying to us about COVID. The vaccines. Okay. We were targeted. There was a whole nother level of targeting done on the, the federal courts. So we've got a whole bunch of these documents that were leaked to us through whistleblowers around the country and what they show is that around the country, people were were absolutely just, I mean, these judges, they're human. Right. And they were lied to they were targeted in a just a egregious way. They went really hard after the courts convincing these judges that everything that we were saying was untrue, and that you needed to listen to Anthony Fauci. It worked. You know, I mean, now, can we turn that around? Well, I that's part of the reason that people need to wake up generally. I mean, we got to get this out. There generally can't just be an out there thing. You know, I went into the courtroom here. I don't know whenever I was in there for the one of the one of the last hearings that I did. And I said to the judge, I said, Your Honor, I want to remind you for purposes of this hearing, the evidence has to be viewed as true. The evidence I presented has to be viewed as true for purposes of this motion there. And, you know, I reminded him several times and in several different ways, but I had to do that because you go home, you watch the news, and they lie. You listen to Anthony Fauci lies. You listen to your local Rhino or lib, and they lie. Everywhere you go. It's another lie. And, and you're right, it is a unit party. It doesn't matter if you're a DNR. I mean, I got a ton of DS I'm working with who've came over to our side, our side being the freedom side, right, the health freedom side. It just, but that's what's happening. Yeah, I

Jason Davis: 38:17

mean, and I don't know why. I mean, every single Democrat, every single one should support banning vaccine mandates. I mean, this is the civil rights movement of our time. They're creating a second class citizen, a second tier of citizen, and that's what the civil rights movement was all about. And that's what they say they did, which they did not. But that's what the Democrats embrace as their big issue. Well, here you go. This is your opportunity to actually get a win, and they won't take it. It's just amazing. Okay, now back to what people can do. So we got your, you want more help getting the word out. So subscribe to the counselor substack. You can find that on Rennes law.com, I assume

Thomas Renz: 39:03

renz dash law.com.

Jason Davis: 39:07

Okay, and then we want to get involved in our local politics at the grassroots level. Now, how can I keep and Matha? Absolutely, like I said, I've been with mafia since the beginning. You're absolutely right. They've been the most consistent group, I've found at least fighting in the courts. Now, how can people? Or how should people go about fighting either a vaccine mandate or even like a mask mandate with their employer? I mean, is there a way to fight that? Using the law to your advantage?

Thomas Renz: 39:39

Yeah. So I mean, we've got a lot of people that we're helping with EEOC filings and things like that, you know, you can request an exemption or working on the cases to take care of the vaccine generally, for right now, you know, to get you by the exemption is the way to go. Just because I don't know how long it's going to take, you know, we'll keep going until we win. But I have no idea what that timeframe is going to be. What I do know, is that it's unfortunately, a lot longer than most people have. So in the meantime, focusing on the exemptions and things like that are big, we've got to be active before this election, because I will tell you, that if there is not a huge Republican majority, and even then it can't just be a Republican majority. It's got to be Republicans that actually are going to stand for this and you need to ask people in the primary stand on health freedom. Are you going to Are you okay, with a business forcing you to take an injection? You know, are you okay with that? You also need to take a look at some of your state legislation and ask your state law reps, you know, why haven't you put up legislation that bans you know, vaccine mandates in the state? Where is it at? What about you know, or write a catch if objections, you know, those are things that you can really push on before the election that you really need to be involved in. If we don't, you're going to be in you're going to be up a creek you know, right now It's tough your your employer puts it puts one of these mandates in by choice. And that's that's a tough uphill fight. Right. This meant that it shouldn't be. But it is. Now we'll eventually get this all fixed, I hope. But that's good. We're talking about several years in the court. And at best, I mean, at best, you know, it's going to take a long time to undo this. And I think one thing that you got to remember, and I want everybody to hear me on this, I have great hope. We're going to win, right? Because we don't have a choice. But understand something. When people say we're going to lose our freedom, they're wrong. We've already lost it. We started, we sat aside, life was too good. And we sat on our hands, and we've lost our freedom. Now the question is, how much more of it we're going to lose? And how much? And how do we earn it back? So what we're doing is we're not fighting to stop them from taking our freedom, we're fighting to get our freedom back, because they've already taken it. This isn't the country that I grew up in. Our freedoms are bridge, it's egregious, it's horrible. And it will get, we will fight to get it back. Because my kids deserve that. My family deserves that. Because God wants us to do that. But we are not the country we were. So I think that you really got to, we really got to press our leverage our position prior to that, we also really got to work on making sure that we've got a, you know, I'm a fan of unions, not not corrupt unions, and there's a lot of them. Most of them out there are not standing up for their people on this because they're getting bought off. But if you've got if you've got a corrupt union, then you need to throw everybody out of your union office that you got and find new people. If you have a good union, then you need to be grateful. And if you don't have a union, you need to make sure that you create a good one to stand up against against these globalist now if you've got a small business, you don't need to worry about that. But the globalist are nightmare. So you know, some of these places may have to look at unionizing to protect your rights and organizing.

Jason Davis: 43:20

Good point. Of course, if you're in a right to work state, it's not going to do much good. But that is a good point, especially for people in the northeast, something they can leverage maybe for some protection. So that's that's a really good point. One thing that you said before, I just want to comment, you said you're getting heavily censored, I have no data that you're on getter. You said getter is censoring people. And truth social will censor people as well. They've already done it.

Thomas Renz: 43:48

I haven't seen that. Yeah, I would recommend

Jason Davis: 43:51

i To me personally, all roads lead to gab. Gab is the only true free speech platform on the internet manager Tor was built the whole thing himself, he built all his own servers, they built their own payment processor, similar to PayPal. So just from my personal experience, that's the only place that you really, truly have free speech on the internet. We

Thomas Renz: 44:10

also we also hit you should take a look at cloud hub. Cloud hub is also I know that I know the CEO, he's a real good guy. And we're on there as well. I wasn't aware about of any censorship on on on Ghana, I mean, they haven't censored me on anything I've been saying,

Jason Davis: 44:27

yeah, they already are. And I mean, not to go down a road on that. But any of these places that are on like the Apple Store or the Android store, or they're hosted by Amazon Web Services, they have to abide by their terms. So the terms are they'll censor. And, you know, that's really the deal with Gab, though just so you know, the only their terms of service is the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. So if it's allowed under the First Amendment, it's allowed on gab.com. So I have I just love Gab, he's building a parallel economy, just like you mentioned before, we're going to have to have parallel things. I just think it lines up with everything you said. So I wanted to mention that to you. I know that you're very busy. So I'm gonna let you go. But I did want to say, you know, attorney, Rennes is not just doing these cases in federal court. I mean, you're even jumping into individual cases, I've seen you jump in to help people that are being, you know, unlawfully imprisoned in these euthanization centers they call hospitals. You're actually trying to help people individually and families. So Thomas wrens, thank you for everything you're doing. God bless you. We really appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on.

Thomas Renz: 45:35

I'm happy to be here. I'm honored to be here. And yeah, we're helping every single person we can. It's unfortunate. There's not more hours in the day. Again, thank

Jason Davis: 45:44

you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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