Decentralizing Freedom: The Battle Against CBDCs and Tokenization

In this riveting episode of Don't Tread on Liberty, host Jason Davis sits down with Aaron Day, an investor, entrepreneur, and liberty activist, to explore the seismic shifts in the financial landscape. Aaron delves into the concept of the Great Taking and how the government's push for Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) could threaten individual liberty and financial autonomy.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone concerned about the future of financial freedom and the encroaching control of centralized authorities. Aaron provides invaluable insights into how we can leverage technology to maintain our autonomy in an increasingly controlled world.

For more information on Aaron Day's workshops, visit daylifefreedom.org.

Don't miss this eye-opening discussion that could change the way you think about money and freedom.

Guest Bio:

Aaron Day is a serial entrepreneur with a rich history in tech and healthcare. He became a liberty activist after his business was collateral damage in the wake of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Aaron is deeply involved in the Free State Project in New Hampshire and has been living on cryptocurrencies, gold, and silver since 2019. He is also a fellow at the Brownstone Institute and the author of "The Final Countdown," a book aimed at educating people about the dangers of CBDCs and how to protect themselves.

References:

Brownstone Institute
https://brownstone.org

Free State Project
https://www.fsp.org

Library.com
https://www.library.com

Odyssey
https://www.odyssey.com

Doconomy
https://www.doconomy.com

Mastercard
https://www.mastercard.us

Goldbacks
https://www.goldback.com

Executive Order 14067
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/03/09/

05210/executive-order-on-ensuring-responsible-development-of-digital-assets

9--- Cake Wallet
https://cakewallet.com

Venmo
https://venmo.com

Zelle
https://www.zellepay.com

Google Pay
https://pay.google.com

Apple Pay
https://www.apple.com/a

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Transcript

>> Speaker A: 1:12

Fighting back against the left's non stop attacks on liberty, freedom and America. America, this is don't tread on liberty. Jason Davis is on the air.

>> Jason Davis: 1:30

Hey, welcome back to don't tread on liberty. Thanks for being here. I'm Jason Davis back and really looking forward to talking with today's guest. he, you know, you may have seen him around. He's been doing a lot on the great taking, and if you don't know what, what that is, we'll explain that to you. But, he's actually been doing the circuits, talking to a lot of different people. He's an investor, an entrepreneur. He's big into the blockchain. He's actually contributed one of my favorite outlets, the Brownstone institute. Aaron day is here. Aaron, thank you for being here. How are you, Aaron?

>> Aaron Day: 2:02

I'm doing well. Thank you for having me.

>> Jason Davis: 2:04

Thanks for being had. So, before we get to the great taking, which, which, by the way, I did, I saw a documentary on that probably about a year ago, David Rogers Webb put something together. You probably know what I'm talking about. but he talks mainly about the banking and the 401K stuff and derivatives. but you're kind of hitting on something different about tokenization of property. But anyway, we'll get into that. But before we do, yeah, just give everybody a snapshot glimpse of how you got into this, where you're trying to focus now just specifically on this one issue.

>> Aaron Day: 2:41

Sure. Well, I started out, as a serial entrepreneur in the mid nineties. I, started a tech company, sold that started another company a couple of years later in the healthcare space. And, it was destroyed by Obamacare, Dodd Frank and Attorney general Eric Holder at the time. And I wasn't targeted. They didn't actually specifically go after me. it was literally collateral damage, but that basically set me on my journey to be a liberty activist. And so from that point forward, I moved to New Hampshire as part of the free state project, which, if you're not familiar with it, it's a movement to get 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire and make New Hampshire basically the beacon of liberty for the world. And so got involved with that, was the chair of that for a while, got involved in political activism, working, alongside my wife, who ran some liberty organizations as well, to get well over 100 state candidates elected at the local level, and, even got involved in politics, ran a super PAC, ran for office myself, and in 2018, gave up on politics, completely, which we don't have time to even go into all of the aspects of that. But in the meantime, part of this process of moving to the Free State project, I learned about bitcoin from Ian Freeman and Roger Veer in 2012. So I started using cryptocurrencies in 2012. And when I exited politics in 2018, one of the things that I did was I decided, well, there's no political solution. But this technology behind bitcoin, the blockchain technology, is essentially technology that gets rid of third parties. And so you can apply that technology not only to money, but basically all assets, whether it's homes, cars, stocks, prices, stocks, you name it. Everything that we buy and sell is sold through a centralized database. That's where it's tracked, that's where it's regulated. And so everything's moving towards a model of tokenization. It could either be a dystopian version that's centrally controlled or a version that is decentralized where you have control. I decided to spend time working on the decentralized aspect of that. I didn't think about politics or any of that for a few years. And then Covid hit. I saw what happened with COVID tyranny, and then I saw, friends of mine were, targeted by the federal government that were in the crypto space. So Ian Freeman, who I learned about bitcoin from, was, was arrested five, you know, federal, federal government branches basically stormed his house. And he was, arrested for selling bitcoin without a license. I actually went to his, sentencing hearing. Basically, he's, eight years in federal prison for selling bitcoin without a license. Jeremy Kaufman, another free stater who started library.com comma, also known as Odyssey, the decentralized version of, YouTube. He was targeted by the SEC. His business was destroyed in the process. I wanted to say, well, why did this Covid tyranny happen? And why are my friends being arrested and targeted? And I found there's kind of a common link, and at least on the crypto side, the common link is that the government is shutting down on crypto, decentralized crypto because they've been working on centralized CBDC, central bank, digital currency. This has been going on since, well, it actually started in 2015, but it really picked up speed in 2019. And so this is all kind of related to a broader movement towards a, one world government technocracy, which I can go into the details on that and how that even ties into the COVID tyranny aspect of it. But having learned a what's going on in terms of cbdcs and cracking down on crypto? I decided to write a book called the Final Countdown, which you can see here. Purpose of this book is basically I wrote this so that a boomer with minimal technical knowledge could read this book, understand the threats of CBDCs, understand the inevitability of the failure of the dollar in fiat currency, and then could take steps in the back of the book to actually learn how to acquire gold, crypto and silver and start using that in their personal life. I actually ran for president to try to elevate this issue in the primary, and now I'm a fellow at the Brownstone Institute where I write, do research and do talks on this. But I'm also going around the country doing four hour workshops where I basically go through the contents of the book, but actually in person connect someone, help them set up a wallet so that they walk out of the workshops empowered to be able to do something about CBDCs and the great taking. That's the really quick thumbnail on, on how I got to where I am now.

>> Jason Davis: 7:16

And I mean, I'm going to have to figure out how it is they arrested your friend for selling bitcoin without a license. I mean, it's not a regulated security, right? It's peer to peer. Everybody sells bitcoin, right?

>> Aaron Day: 7:28

You're not supposed to sell bitcoin. You're supposed to get a money transmitter law, apparently. What's weird about this is he actually got an opinion letter from an attorney stating that he didn't need a money transmitter license. He didn't even think he was doing anything illegal. He actually thought he had taken the steps to do this legally. They can use the money transmitter license thing, and especially if you do anything over state boundaries or over state borders, then you have a whole other series of things that you have to deal with. And by the way, this money transmitter thing is being used to shut down lightning network on bitcoin. So a lot of people were using lightning network through these large liquidity pools. I wont go into the details necessarily on how all that works, but basically the large companies that were allowing people to connect through them to do lightning transactions, most of the big ones in the US shut down because of fear of legal, liability for being operating an unlicensed money transmitter business.

>> Jason Davis: 8:23

Now do you think that because there's so many cryptos out there, I mean, there's thousands of them, right? and there's a lot of privacy coins and all that. So I mean, do you think, I mean, are they really going to be able to shut all these down and make way for the US DC or CBDC, us digital dollar or whatever they're going to do?

>> Aaron Day: 8:45

So President Biden on March 9, 2022, signed something called the, executive order 14067. And what that does is it authorizes the government to explore CBDC. This is actually official government policy right now, while taking a whole of government approach to regulating digital assets, which they've been doing, and you can see and it's had a profound impact. So, I mean, to answer your question, let's look at this. There are only four major crypto exchanges left in the United States. They're all actively being sued by the SEC. If you now want to go get a crypto exchange account, you have to go through biometric screening, you have to go through a huge know your customer process. The exchanges are working in conjunction with the IR's, using AIH to track everybody's transactions. So basically, even if you have a crypto, that's not a privacy coin. If you're using bitcoin or ethereum, your identity can be tracked. The IR's is now requiring that you self report your self custody crypto holdings. And so they even local bitcoins even shut down, which was something that facilitated in person interactions for the buying and selling of bitcoin. So it has had a massive chilling effect. I've been living exclusively on crypto gold and silver since 2019. And I will tell you, it's become more difficult to buy, it's become more difficult to use. And actually an interesting stat from a couple of weeks ago, last, month, only 0.4% of Americans use crypto for commerce to actually buy and sell something. And this is a downward trajectory. A couple of years ago, we were at 2%. so theyve done a pretty effective job and its had a massive chilling effect. And its not just the government. I mean, I think cryptos biggest problem is itself and the inability to develop products and services that are competitive with big, tech and the existing financial institutions. When bitcoin was launched, it was actually a better, faster, cheaper version of money. But now we have Venmo and Zelle and Google Pay and Apple Pay and all these other things, and we just havent competed sense of elitism, where if you cant take 20 steps and do all of these different things to use money, then youre not in the club, and that doesnt work. Money should be for everyone. There should be no, you have to have 140 iq and 15 years of development experience to use money. Money should be for everyone and it should be very easy to use and I dont think thats been the mo of the crypto community and were suffering from that. And you see it in the lack of actual use of these cryptocurrencies in the marketplace.

>> Jason Davis: 11:16

Yeah, and a lot of it's on the vendors because they don't really accept it or they don't have a way to. But when you look overseas, I mean, I think there was a project called Dash. I talked to the guy from Dash, I believe, and they actually have payment portals in stores where you can pay with Dash. And I'm just like, is that the government just keeping them out of the US or what's your thought there?

>> Aaron Day: 11:44

So the problem in the US has been, there have been a few point of sale solutions and they've gone under for a variety of reasons. and the issue is that by the way, and part of what I'm doing now with my workshops and I'm actually trying to build a point of sale system that is decentralized but that takes multiple assets because if you look at how, so I live in New Hampshire and there are businesses that have been taking crypto here for twelve years. I mean they're like directly. In fact there was a thing called the bitcoin shop in Portsmouth where all they would do is take crypto. You just a general retail store, you come in, you use crypto. Those guys actually created our point of sale system. But mostly the way crypto worked is it's all been this, tribal. Well, here's my coin. And so I'm going to go and talk to a business owner and the business owner is going to set up a wallet and then he's going to put his name on a map. And then it turns out that the guy only got one or two transactions. His entire. If you go in at the wrong time and the owner's not there, they don't actually take crypto. That's been part of the issue. But then the other issue has been the point of sale systems have they're centralized and they are subject to regulatory pressure. So one of the big point of sale systems is bitpay. You can't even, last time I checked, you couldn't even sign, up. They've actually stopped taking, you know, new, new retailers. So what's lacking? And you hit a good point. We actually need an easy to use point of sale system for the merchant that takes multiple cryptos, and I would say gold and alternative assets and even tokenized gold. I use gold backs, in addition to crypto, but the merchants need an easy to use system and that doesn't exist currently. In fact, it's degradated. It used to exist five years ago, so we actually have less of a solution in the marketplace today. It's all solvable. It just takes a commitment to do it. So I've been on a quest to either find somebody to do it, and if I can't find somebody to do it, I'll do it myself. but with the right wallets and the right point of sale system, we can actually compete and provide a decentralized solution to the centralized CBDC tyranny.

>> Jason Davis: 13:48

Yeah. Now, do you think that the government will just allow that? I mean, you think they're going to obviously try to regulate it out of existence or just outright ban it? Right? Like they've been talking about that too.

>> Aaron Day: 13:58

So, I mean, so the only way out of what we're facing, which is at the end of one world global technocracy, is to not comply. So the way out is to develop solutions that they actually technically can't stop. That is the only solution. And to use them regardless of what they say. Because, I mean, at the end of this, and I just wrote an article, you said you saw the article for brownstone. The end of this is it's a global digital currency based on energy credits. This has basically been the dream of the technocracy movement since the early thirties. But when I say this, you might be like, oh, this guy's nuts. This is a conspiracy theory. Actually, you can Google doconomy, d o c o n o M Y M, Mastercard and you will see that there's a United nations branded Mastercard in existence today that people sign up for. It has the Un 13 climate action sustainable development goal on the logo on the card. So Mastercard already has formed relationships with over 150 companies. They're already tracking our carbon use. They're tying it to financial transactions, and then this card shuts off. If you use too much carbon, that is the end game for these people. so you first go to cbdcs and you connect all of the global cbdcs and all other digital assets on one platform. And then when that system and infrastructure is in place, you change the underlying currency to being backed by energy credits. This is completely what they're doing. Well, we're not going to stop this by not complying. In fact, the only thing that we can do is exit the fiat system as quickly as we can and frankly, help crash the system before they, before their, you know, controlled demolition, because they are planning on demolishing it. It's just, we've got to get out before they're ready. That's absolutely.

>> Jason Davis: 15:43

Oh, well, that's absolutely what they're going to do. There's no doubt about it. But you bring up a good point. So you've been living on crypto for several years. You mentioned that. so, like, how does one do that? Because, I mean, did you just go find the vendors that accept that and you're able to pay them? Or, I mean, how are you paying your electric bill and all that stuff? I mean, how do you do that in real life, Jeff?

>> Aaron Day: 16:08

It's hard. It's almost like playing a video game. And it's a combination of things, because part of it is, I mean, I'm in New Hampshire, so there are places where, I mean, there are farm. You can buy meat and you can buy milk, and you can actually buy things here. That's a unique situation specific to New Hampshire. but oftentimes what you end up doing is you use your crypto to buy gift cards or you use your crypto to buy debit cards if you actually have to, use other systems. So you end up not having a bank account, but you are still kind of, you're still using an intermediary. And that is a stopgap step until, because ultimately, we need to be doing this completely peer to peer without gift cards and without debit cards. Like right now, what I primarily use is something called cake wallethood, which has multiple cryptocurrencies. And then it has a thing that you can use to, within the wallet, buy hundreds of different gift cards. Like you can buy airline tickets, you can buy, I mean, anything, hotels, all of this through kind of one app. So I can use a privacy coin like Monero, and then buy these things and then use that for transactions. So it's a hybrid. If I'm in New Hampshire, I'm doing more direct peer to peer. And if I'm traveling, I'm more on the other side of using gift cards or buying debit cards. But that's the way to, you know, you have to start somewhere. The only way we're going to solve this is by starting and by moving one piece at a time and starting to sign up more merchants and starting to integrate and create better systems. That's really the only way, the only way out of it. So, but it is inconvenient. And, and because it's inconvenient, when I do these workshops and I explain to people how I live on crypto, you know, it doesn't take doing too many of these workshops in front of hundreds of people and having them look at you and say, you know, yeah, I'm not going to do that. That's when you realize, okay, we need a point of sale system. I mean, that, that's why the real gating element right now is an easy to use point of sale system.

>> Jason Davis: 17:55

Well, you know, and I was thinking about that it is inconvenient, but I was thinking ten years ago I used to go into convenience stores and there'd be people in there buying, money orders with cash to pay their electric bill and to pay their rent and all that stuff. They didn't have a bank account. Like they were basically doing what you're doing now, except they had to physically go there and get the money order.

>> Aaron Day: 18:25

Yep. So, I mean, the irony of this is that this technology actually is better money and it's, it should be a better technical solution. It's our own internal squabbles and a variety of hijackings and other things that have happened within the crypto community because it is actually easier to use money when, when, if I, you know, I'm writing another article kind of following up on the one that I just wrote to, you know, our money is all in a database. The Federal Reserve operates on an oracle database. So the way money is created is, you know, the federal, the federal government issues an IOU to the Federal Reserve and then the Federal Reserve creates an account in an oracle database for the federal government with digital money in it. And then the federal government pays all of its bills through that system, through it, through that oracle database, again, backed by nothing but an IOU. So then the government writes a check. They pay you, they pay a contractor, they buy whatever it is that they're going to buy. And then that check gets deposited into a bank that has its own Oracle database or Microsoft database. And then they create $9 for every$1. That's literally how the system works. But from a technical perspective, many of these cryptos, not all, in fact only, I would say a handful, are actually much, much better, much more efficient, much more secure than how the existing system works. I mean, there are some of these banks that are still using systems for transaction and payment processing that use the COBOL, programming language. I mean, this stuff is dated by decades. It's amazing that the system hasn't technically collapsed at this point, let alone the fact that it's underlying, it's a ponzi. So the technology exists to do this. And in fact, I mean, CBDCs didn't come about until they saw bitcoin, saw the threat of bitcoin, and then said, hey, we've got to stop this. And then they put resources behind working on a CBDC. So clearly this technology is intended for this purpose. It's just that they've done a really good job of dividing and conquering the crypto community into working on meme coins and nfts. While in the background they're working on CBDCs and tokenizing stocks, bonds and real estate. And basically using that as a way to fulfill Klaus Schwab's mission of, you will own nothing and be happy Preston.

>> Jason Davis: 20:39

So let me talk to you about that, because I got to get my head around this tokenization of physical assets. Like, I don't, I don't really get it. Like I see how they're going to do it with your money that's in the bank, which is all just numbers on a computer. But I don't get how they're going to make you tokenize something that you own free and clear. That's like a vehicle. How they going to make you do that? How they even going to know that you have it?

>> Aaron Day: 21:07

Well, they know you have everything because, because everything is in a database. Your house, your title, when you get title, insurance, all of that is stored in a database. Every asset you have, your car, you have to get your car registered, but you have your title for your car. And all of that is stored in a database. All tokenization is taking what is now a centralized database and assigning a unique token to those assets and then putting it on a common platform that can be tracked, monitored and censored by multiple third parties. So basically stocks, bond, your car, your house are just another form of asset. Money is an asset. It's going to be tokenized. Non monetary assets are going to be tokenized using the same technology and on the same ledger.

>> Jason Davis: 21:56

I know they want single ledger, but I still don't know how they're going to force you to tokenize stuff that you own free and clear or things that they don't even know you have. Like if you own, let's say you own gold and you hold it yourself, they don't even know you have it.

>> Aaron Day: 22:13

No, they don't know you have it. I mean, again, how will they go about doing it? Yeah. How are they going to do it? Well, you're supposed to have reported it. And if you don't report it and it's found out that you didn't report it, you go to jail. I mean, this is so, yes, you're right, there are assets that you think you own free and clear. But what are the steps that they're going to take? I mean, they're already taking those steps. They're taking the steps with crypto. Oh, you're supposed to self report your crypto. Of course. People are like, I'm not going to self report my crypto. That's fine. And then if they later find out about it and you're using bitcoin and you're tracked through chain analysis, you'll go to jail. and how many people have gold that they didn't buy through somebody where there's a record of it? Because how long is it going to be before they start going in and pushing? So I'm not saying that, everything is immediately going to be put on, tokenized, but everything is already in a database. Your car is in a database. Your house is in a database. Sure, you may own some gold if you didn't buy it with a credit cardinal and if the person you bought gold from didn't keep a record of it, that's in a database. But if they did, then all of your shit is in a database. All of it. Every asset. And the ones that aren't the big ones are. And more importantly, everybody's stocks and bonds and 401 ks. Cause these, now we're talking trillions of dollars. Now we're talking about more in economic value. Money's only 5% of global assets. So money's actually a small part of this. But think of the other big categories. And in my article I actually put a list of, of what the big categories of assets are. and let me just, I'm going to pull that up now just to take a quick gander of this because I've got a bigger spreadsheet where I've taken the top 50 classes of assets and put them into a worksheet and so derivatives. So these financial bets that Wall street makes on underlying assets, $1.2 quadrillion, that's the size of that. Can those be tokenized? Those can absolutely be tokenized. Those are all contracts. Those are all mostly contracts in digital form already stored on a database. Residential real estate. Yeah, database. What's the MLS? I mean the MLS system. But then you have all of the titles and all that information is in a database. Bonds, stocks, global currency, commercial real estate, precious metals, on and on. All these things are in databases and they're all in centralized databases. Tokenization is just a new technique. And again, it could be a good, it could be a good thing. Like what I advocate for is tokenize your own assets and start selling them outside of the system. But understand, everything will be tokenized. So the only, the only decision point we have right now is are we going to let them tokenize all of our assets in the same way they're trying to tokenize money through CBDCs? Or are we going to take control of our own assets so that we can trade them anywhere in the world without third parties and retain ownership of them? Thats the battleground right now. So thats what my focus is. It started on CBDC and now its expanded to, oh wow, okay, this is actually everything. And CBDCs are just this 5% of assets that are going to be tokenized. We need to worry about all of it based on what theyre building behind the scenes that most people are unaware of. Preston.

>> Jason Davis: 25:21

Yeah, its interesting because you think even if you tokenize your own stuff, then they'll probably try to come in and make that illegal. And then you have to not do that. And then you run the risk of them coming after you for that and on and on and on. So you mentioned the goal. You mentioned the goal, which is why.

>> Aaron Day: 25:41

You do it with private privacy tokens where they can't go in and find out what you have. Yeah. Are you dealing? There's nothing illegal about what I'm saying right now, but I'm kind of getting ahead of what is likely to happen. I mean, look, we know that they've confiscated gold before and yeah, it's pretty clear.

>> Jason Davis: 25:58

So what you're saying is if we do it first in the right way, there won't be anything they can do about it.

>> Aaron Day: 26:07

Yes, what I'm saying is, if we do it the right way and we do it fast enough, what I'm saying is they're intentionally going to collapse the system because they've been working on developing the solution. This is what ties into the great taking. The whole concept of the great taking is very simply, they have already, since 1994 at the state level, made changes to the UCC code such that in the event of a major financial collapse and theres a bankruptcy, all of the 401 ks you have at Fidelity, all the stocks that you have with your broker, you would probably think to yourself, well, if these guys, if Fidelity went bankrupt or Blackrock went bankrupt, those are my stocks. The truth is, theyre not your stocks. You should already know that because you dont vote the shares. Usually when you are a shareholder, you vote those shares. But when you have these things through Fidelity and Blackrock, you've already contractually given up your right to vote. So Blackrock, people will say, Blackrock owns all these companies. It's actually even worse than that. They're using our money and they're voting our money. And then when there's a bankruptcy, we don't actually get ownership of the shares. It actually will go preferentially to the four largest banks who are the secured creditors.

>> Jason Davis: 27:15

Yeah, we become a creditor.

>> Aaron Day: 27:17

We become a creditor way back in line. We're like fifth in line as a category.

>> Jason Davis: 27:22

That's right.

>> Aaron Day: 27:23

So all of our assets get transferred to Citibank, Wells Fargo, bank of America, and JPMorgan Chase. Those are actually the four large, systemically important, those are probably the largest owners of the. And there's a special carve out for them in the law because of their kind of size and class, where they will actually get preferential treatment in a liquidation, in a bankruptcy. So this is already set up. So you take money and you take derivatives, bond stocks and everything else. And we're already talking about the majority of assets on the planet. So you're right, we may be able to hide some of our assets. But I mean, as I tell people, your 401K is a scam. I mean, and the problem with all of this is, it's just kind of like the article you read. It's 9400 words long. I mean, how many people are actually going to read that? I don't know. I wanted to put it all out there so that I could go through step by step and explain to.

>> Jason Davis: 28:15

Yeah, it's fascinating and everybody should read that. And like I said, the documentary I mentioned earlier, David Webb, the great taking, explains a lot of this as well, with the derivatives especially and your 401 ks. But yeah, and this is what they've been working towards, like you said, for what, almost 30 years, right?

>> Aaron Day: 28:34

Yeah. And here's the thing, actually more like 50 years. I mean, this move towards kind of a one global system that started in the early 1970s and has been happening through the UN and other organizations to erode sovereignty and kind of put these pieces in place. And so what I say is, yeah, we build an alternative because we know how they're going to roll it out. Right. This is going to be one of the people say to me, it's like, well, people won't accept cbdcs. This isn't going to be like with the vaccine where here's a medium order of fries or here's a doughnut or whatever. This is going to be an all or nothing, take it or leave it proposition in an emergency. But that always works. It worked for the Patriot act, it worked for tarp, and, it worked for the Cares act. And it'll work for this, too. It'll be terrorism related. It'll be a cyber attack. It'll be crisis at the border.

>> Jason Davis: 29:21

And even then, they don't really ask us. You don't get to vote on it. This is something they just do. for sure. All right, last question. You mentioned the goldbacks, and you showed those there. And I've talked to the Goldbach people. I love goldbacks. but this is the same problem. and it's even worse than that, because merchants don't need any special technology to accept goldbacks, but many of them won't. What can we do about that?

>> Aaron Day: 29:58

You've got to go at it one at a time. And I'm in New Hampshire. New Hampshire is one of the states that is kind of taking a lead on this. So there are 150 merchants in New Hampshire that already take gold backs. There are 2000 merchants, nationwide that take gold backs. And so it's just a matter, again, this is a movement. A lot of people say to me, it's like, oh, well, people aren't going to accept us. All technologies and ideas go through a phase. You have an innovator phase, where it may be 0.5% to 1% of the people are really early innovators. Then those 1% go to 3%, and then the 3% do what's called crossing the chasm and get 15%, which are the early majority adopters. That's how these things work. Nothing ever is adopted right away, on a mass market basis. It always goes through these steps. So we just have to understand that and start focusing on, hey, well, where can we find retailers that will do that? Because they're already out there. And by the way, the thing is, Covid really helped create, fertile ground for this. Because one thing is for sure, small businesses are aware, after the CARES act and after what happened in 2020, that all of these surveillance systems and these big emergencies are, weighted in a big way to large multinational corporations. So most small businesses are going to be, you don't go to Costco and try to sell this. Don't go try to sell this to Walmart. In fact, I would argue we should probably be boycotting those things for a whole variety of other reasons. But small businesses are receptive to it. The missing piece, because I've been told, I talked last week to the people at Goldback, is we need a system that's multi asset, that's gold and silver and crypto in one. We need to be able to offer something to a merchant. I would like to, at some point, have in my workshop a, breakout session that is all right, here's how we set up a merchant. We teach a merchant how to integrate a single system. So now they're taking multiple assets. But if we build that, I can tell you, if you look at the 17 sustainable development goals of the UN, find the groups of people and companies that oppose those, and that is your target market. That is our target market. And so I will tell you, health freedom, food freedom, really, there's a huge, there are tens of millions of people in this country that are open to this, that the challenge is it's getting the word out and getting the solution refined so that it's easy to use and easy to install. All of these are solvable problems. All of these are normal problems in starting a movement or building a company or trying to, you know, get a new idea out into the marketplace of ideas. So it's all workable. but we don't have a lot of time. I think the unfortunate part is we're at the later stage of this and, like the bottom of the 9th and most people don't know we're in a game. That's actually the bigger issue. But nevertheless, if we move fast enough, we actually have a shot at it.

>> Jason Davis: 32:46

Yeah, I think you're right. And they could do this at any time with the number of catastrophes that, they can manufacture at this point. Aaron, tell us how we can find out about your workshops, where they're going to be, when, and all that.

>> Aaron Day: 33:00

You can find out about the workshops@daylightfreedom.org. dot that is my website. My wife and I operate that nonprofit. And you can see we're planning them for 15 cities now. But if your city's not on there, you can fill out a form, because we're doing this based on demand. The, next scheduled one is, in New Jersey, central New Jersey on October, fifth. We're hopefully going to be doing Nashville a couple of weeks after that, I have a whole another series of events that are not workshops, but they're kind of eating up a lot of time over the next couple of months. But, we're looking to go everywhere from Virginia to Salt Lake City to southern California to the midwest to Texas. I'm going to keep on doing these as long as I can and I'm able. And I'm hoping there is no ridiculous monkey pox or some other manufactured planned that that makes it so that it has to be an online only affair. Because actually meeting with people in person is very important for this.

>> Jason Davis: 33:54

You didn't see the who released the, emergency last week, Aaron, you didn't see that.

>> Aaron Day: 33:59

Yeah, I did. I did. I'm just waiting for the tick tock dances.

>> Jason Davis: 34:05

Aaron daylifefreedom.org dot Aaron day thank you so much. Very fascinating conversation. Could educate me a little bit. not the techiest person, but, I know that, these things are coming down the road. So we appreciate what you're doing very much. Thank you.

>> Aaron Day: 34:21

Thank you.

>> Speaker A: 34:23

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